サンスクリット用の数字デザイン

サンスクリットの教科書とヒンディー語の教科書で数字のデザインが違うのは以前から気になっていましたが、これですっきりしました。
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Tiro Typeworks @TiroTypeworks

Which set of numerals as a default style for a Sanskrit typeface? pic.twitter.com/7PZ5HxFSlw

2014-12-23 10:12:55
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Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks 'A' goes with western style, 'B' goes with eastern.

2014-12-24 03:25:26
کام‌چور कर्मचारी @karmchaari

@tirotypeworks Isn’t this just the North vs. South, Traditional vs. Modern choice, right? I was taught B in school. :)

2014-12-24 03:55:22
Tiro Typeworks @TiroTypeworks

@anshumanpandey_ So which for default, in a Sanskrit specific font?

2014-12-24 06:46:26
Tiro Typeworks @TiroTypeworks

@_karan Yes. Lambert calls A 'Bombay' and B 'Hindi'. But in modern typography, A seems to have become the default for modern languages. ...

2014-12-24 06:48:20
کام‌چور कर्मचारी @karmchaari

@TiroTypeworks One of those cases where computers have adopted a default because they need one, but it doesn't reflect real-world usage.

2014-12-24 11:34:36
Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks Default depends upon which style the font is based on. If font uses अ, then set 'A'. If the अ is the 3-pronged प, then 'B'.

2014-12-24 06:50:19
Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks To be sure, in set 'A' the १ often has a straight tail, instead of the left-ward hooking style.

2014-12-24 07:17:54
Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks And in set 'B' the ६ often has a short top-hook. But these are quite traditional forms.

2014-12-24 07:19:27

「3-pronged प」形のअの実例は McDonell の辞書 http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MDScan/index.php?sfx=jpg や荻原雲来「実習梵語学」http://www.manduuka.net/sanskrit/ogi/index.cgi?doc=34ch で見ることができます。後者の数字表にはtop-hookつきの६(「非常に伝統的な」形)も出てきます。

کام‌چور कर्मचारी @karmchaari

@anshumanpandey_ @TiroTypeworks Funnily enough, I've mostly seen the straight-tailed १ associated with B thus far. :)

2014-12-24 11:37:59
Tiro Typeworks @TiroTypeworks

@anshumanpandey_ I associate those two forms with Nepali, so presumably they're the north northern preference?

2014-12-24 07:24:12
Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks Nepali style prefs are a bit diff than the northern style, but they seem to be quite standard, eg. the form of झ.

2014-12-24 17:10:01
Tiro Typeworks @TiroTypeworks

@anshumanpandey_ I was talking specifically about the numerals, particularly the third form of nine you mentioned.

2014-12-24 17:11:48
Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks That 3rd form of ९ is quite common in the 'Calcutta' style. Basically ८ with a top-hook, to match that which occurs with ६.

2014-12-24 17:15:14

やはりVariation Selectorで区別したい、という話

Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks Standardized variants need to be defined for Devanagari. Already have a proposal in the works. Will submit for February UTC.

2014-12-24 17:24:43
Tiro Typeworks @TiroTypeworks

@anshumanpandey_ Documented certainly. A standardized mechanism is a trickier proposition. Not sure where it best belongs.

2014-12-24 17:26:34
Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks Variant selectors. But then there is no way to control idiosyncratic usage of variants. Then again, random usage is attested!

2014-12-24 17:36:29
Tiro Typeworks @TiroTypeworks

@anshumanpandey_ ...it really only makes sense if this display preference is something that needs to be preserved at the plain text level.

2014-12-24 17:47:15
Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks I understand your reservations re: variant selectors. They are holistically unfeasible. My tweet was a bit tongue in cheek.

2014-12-24 17:54:16
Tiro Typeworks @TiroTypeworks

@anshumanpandey_ Oh great. Make me type all that and then tell me that you weren't being serious. That deserves #randomemoji 🚏

2014-12-24 17:56:49
Anshuman Pandey @anshumanpandey_

@TiroTypeworks Seriously, stylistic sets are the way forward. It would be beautiful to use 1 font and get western and eastern styles.

2014-12-24 18:01:40
Tiro Typeworks @TiroTypeworks

@anshumanpandey_ Careful. Stylistic Set in OTL has a specific meaning and some unavoidable implications, one of which is that they're...

2014-12-24 18:03:14