Agileにおける学びと守・破・離
Interesting Post... How "Agile" Is The Concept of Scrum? http://bit.ly/ctpiD6
2010-03-28 22:46:28@mcottmeyer this blog points out one of my chief problems with scrum-inflexibility w/o guidance when it is in places it won't work.
2010-03-28 23:34:32if there is not a one size fits all set of practices, it's reasonable to ask where practices don't fit.
2010-03-28 23:36:28then it's reasonable to ask where scrum practices don't fit without being accused of bashing it.
2010-03-28 23:36:49@alshalloway Yeah, I agree. I think Scrum is more flexible than many allow. It's the lack of guidance when the vanilla version fails.
2010-03-29 00:14:42@alshalloway I've got a blog post hopped up that will hopefully start some discussion around that.
2010-03-29 00:15:17@mcottmeyer agreed. And the insistence that one must do it by the book at first. Sorry, don't agree with Shu Ha Ri in knowledge based work.
2010-03-29 02:21:24@alshalloway @mcottmeyer How do you see Shu Ha Ri differing from e.g. Dreyfus Model? Esp in context of knowledge work?
2010-03-29 03:01:08@flowchainsensei i believe a combination of dreyfuss and schook models are necessary. start by doing with understanding of principles
2010-03-29 03:13:10@flowchainsensei coach can tailor practices to your situation. but you need to understand why he's doing what he's doing
2010-03-29 03:13:33@flowchainsensei kanban as transition model works because can start where you are, but use principles of WIP management to move forward
2010-03-29 03:13:51@flowchainsensei shu ha ri is best justification for needing a consultant to help you for a long time i can think of.
2010-03-29 03:14:22@flowchainsensei a good consultant will get you free of them as soon as possible
2010-03-29 03:14:37@alshalloway "coach can tailor practices..." do you mean coaching practices, or e.g. agile practices?
2010-03-29 03:15:27@alshalloway Depends on whose definition of "good" you're using... ;}
2010-03-29 03:17:32@alshalloway I think shu ha ri applies just as much to self-teaching as to studying under a guru or master.
2010-03-29 03:18:42@flowchainsensei the practices the team needs to follow
2010-03-29 03:55:02@alshalloway @flowchainsensei Funny that you took the discussion in the Shu-Ha-Ri direction. My next post is going to explore that a bit.
2010-03-29 04:12:38@flowchainsensei I tend to generalize them into the same basic idea. Learning is a progression.
2010-03-29 05:32:56@mcottmeyer @alshalloway Read George Leonards "Mastery" decades ago - makes much the same point #topbook #aikido #learning
2010-03-29 05:42:56@flowchainsensei @alshalloway @mcottmeyer Shu-Ha-Ri is 3 levels; Dreyfus 5 levels for the same thing, harder to remember, no great advantage
2010-03-29 12:19:48@alshalloway @mcottmeyer "don't agree with Shu Ha Ri in knowledge based work". Interesting view, I see it the same. What's wrong/missing?
2010-03-29 12:20:59@alshalloway re:"one of my chief problems with X w/o guidance when it is in places it won't work" Where is an X where it will? I think none.
2010-03-29 12:25:29@flowchainsensei I vote also for out-of-band experiements, because there's a known fall-back pattern.
2010-03-29 12:32:43@TotherAlistair dreyfus doesn't make a big fuss about just do it. Software is not like the karate kid scene of wax on wax off
2010-03-29 13:22:44