Jim & Tobias on Product Backlog
Scrum Alliance article that clarifies part of the new Scrum Guide: It’s Ordered — Not Prioritized! http://t.co/TQjvmaZ #scrum
2011-08-04 17:18:23Apparently @jcoplien sees prioritization as a mechanical, sorting process :( http://bit.ly/qVly1R #fail
2011-08-06 01:21:22@tobiasmayer That's what it means in English #illiterate
2011-08-06 01:23:25@machielg lol! Maybe you can give an English less to @tobiasmayer — he doesn't seem to understand.
2011-08-06 01:46:24Interesting... the changes in #Scrum2011 [http://t.co/xgrbgVB] moves it much closer to #SimpleScrum [http://t.co/wD9TocW] :)
2011-08-06 02:17:15@jcoplien No, it doesn't. Read the Oxford Dictionary definitions. http://t.co/g5jvMjc #literate
2011-08-06 02:28:35@jcoplien @machielg Prioritize: "determine the order for dealing with (a series of items or tasks) according to their relative importance"
2011-08-06 02:30:51@michaelmayrde And how should it be ordered? Most important things first, perhaps, most useful, most valuable? Isn't this prioritization?
2011-08-06 02:44:04@tobiasmayer relative importance implies pairwise comparison, which is mechanical once the attributes have been ascribed. Q.E.D.
2011-08-06 02:44:26@tobiasmayer If you know relative importance, the ordering process is mechanical. Q.E.D.
2011-08-06 02:45:22@dneighbors @jcoplien ...also disturbing is the very idea that a whole backlog needs to be ordered /in any way/. It doesn't.
2011-08-06 02:48:41@jcoplien and your method of "ordering" is somehow not like this, is somehow superior? Your article doesn't describe that.
2011-08-06 02:50:18@jcoplien Jim, if all facts are known you could say any ordering is mechanical. But it isn't. It has an emotional element to it.
2011-08-06 02:51:01@jcoplien ...unless you are using alphabetical order, or smallest to biggest, or most words first, or something similar. Are you?
2011-08-06 02:52:44@tobiasmayer Why are you looking for a method? Ordering method is up to the PO. Scrum provides no final answers—certainly not prioritization
2011-08-06 02:54:00@tobiasmayer This is exactly why prioritization is wrong. This is exactly the rationale behind the change.
2011-08-06 02:54:30@larsvonk No, there are elements of Scrum that warrant a call-out. Just much, much less than current proponents believe.
2011-08-06 02:54:58@tobiasmayer Come to a good Scrum certification course, and we'll straighten you out :-)
2011-08-06 02:55:43@jcoplien Prioritization isn't wrong. The method of implementing it is (often) wrong. The same will apply to "ordering".
2011-08-06 02:56:37@jcoplien Even with the cynical smiley face, that level of patronizing arrogance doesn't befit someone in this community. #sad
2011-08-06 02:58:14@tobiasmayer Prioritization can be wrong and can be right. It's not the only way to order a backlog.
2011-08-06 02:59:23@tobiasmayer No offense meant. Honestly. Peace. Love. Harmony.
2011-08-06 03:00:16@jcoplien It's not the only way, and I've given other examples. I can't think of one that would be useful though. Enlighten me?
2011-08-06 03:00:58@tobiasmayer I was serious about coming to the course. It's not a matter for a discussion over Twitter.
2011-08-06 03:02:30