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Lilian Nijboer
@llillian
@alshalloway i don't like the entire pilot idea, we'll talk at #lssc12 :-)
2012-02-24 08:10:45
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@llillian at least that. but it's not hard to do a coarse mapping of business value stream too. but agree, at min, it vsm
2012-02-24 08:11:09
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@llillian sounds like an interesting conversation - look forward to it. :)
2012-02-24 08:11:21
Matt Barcomb - The future is cooperative!
@mattbarcomb
@llillian i like this. I feel that lean/agile doesnt so much "scale" as it must be /grown/ @alshalloway
2012-02-24 09:14:33
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@mattbarcomb @llillian i agree. lean starts out with a whole. it fills in as opposed of going from bottom up
2012-02-24 10:34:15
Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway are you saying that lean installations always start with the whole? evidence? @mattbarcomb @llillian
2012-02-24 10:45:10
Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway i would have guessed lean installations, like most ideas, start from some small core of people. @mattbarcomb @llillian
2012-02-24 10:45:38
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries it looks at the whole. not necessarily starts with the whole. evidence? #1 principle - Optimize the whole.
2012-02-24 10:58:15
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries everything done should be in that context. cycle time is a holistic measure
2012-02-24 10:58:28
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries often they do. but these should look at the whole even if they start locally.
2012-02-24 10:58:46
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries our lean transitions often start with pilots but only after looking at the whole
2012-02-24 11:01:21
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries see Where to Begin Your Lean Transition http://t.co/kK2EQ2ro for more info
2012-02-24 11:02:00
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries & see Successful Pilots Can Sometimes Harm Agile Organizations. http://t.co/9z5237g4 for dangers of not looking at whole
2012-02-24 11:03:00
Matt Barcomb - The future is cooperative!
@mattbarcomb
@RonJeffries I would say that I try to /consider/ as much of the whole as makes sense to get started @alshalloway @llillian
2012-02-24 11:48:02
Matt Barcomb - The future is cooperative!
@mattbarcomb
@RonJeffries i know I will understand more and deeper along the way @alshalloway @llillian
2012-02-24 11:48:25
Matt Barcomb - The future is cooperative!
@mattbarcomb
@RonJeffries I would further say I start by creating and *intentional* local optimization @alshalloway @llillian
2012-02-24 11:49:24
Matt Barcomb - The future is cooperative!
@mattbarcomb
@RonJeffries given the complexities of all the people involved you never know what you will bump into next @alshalloway @llillian
2012-02-24 11:50:29
Matt Barcomb - The future is cooperative!
@mattbarcomb
I wonder what proctologists would think of all these tweets about considering the whole? #lean #agile #kanban #systemsthinking
2012-02-24 11:52:30
Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway certainly looking at the whole is a good thing. i believe a big reason agile sometimes dies out is lack of fit with the whole.
2012-02-24 19:17:03