@NAChristakisさんと@scottapattisonさんの対話20171122

Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis

Because an uneducated, pliant populace is just want America needs. The far R and far L will agree on this, no doubt. twitter.com/greenhousenyt/…

Steven Greenhouse @greenhousenyt

The GOP tax plan seems to favor the dumbing down of America. 1) Kills tax break for student loans, 2) Raises taxes on grad students, 3) Taxes employer tuition assistance, 4) Taxes college endowments, 5) Kills deduction when teachers buy school supplies. washingtonpost.com/local/educatio…

2017-11-21 22:12:42

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis Nicholas, please clarify how the “far left” supports this kind of policy.

Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis

@scottapattison cases like these, in the USA, shielding students from exposure to ideas: globalnews.ca/video/3867809/…

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis What does shielding students from exposure to ideas have anything to do with the gop tax bill, or the “far left”?

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis And where can you point to any leftist ideology supporting either? I’m confused

Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis

@scottapattison The items listed by @greenhousenyt all pertained to tax provisions that undermine education (and hence capacity for independent thought). The far R and L are both threatened by this, and use various means, at different times, to undermine this. 1/

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis @greenhousenyt Where does the far left support undermining education...you are making this up....

Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis

@scottapattison @greenhousenyt The founders appreciated the extreme necessity of having an educated and free-thinking public for a functioning democracy, and provided for public schooling. But we are digressing, I agree. 2/

Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis

@scottapattison @greenhousenyt Have you not been paying attention to the (primarily, not exclusively) L-wing assault on free expression on campus (such as the example I gave), or do you not see this as "undermining education"? See thefire.org for examples.

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis @greenhousenyt you have yet to clarify how this is part of leftist ideology. You are just citing examples of education being undermined

Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis

@scottapattison @greenhousenyt How these cases comport with leftist ideology is something you will have to figure out for your own.

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis @greenhousenyt you are the one making the claim, so the burden is on you to demonstrate how undermining of education is part of leftist ideology.

Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis

@scottapattison @greenhousenyt Well, have you heard of Maoism? Or “re-education” as a concept? I also sent you a link. I’ve been taking you seriously, but now I fear you are just trolling? (And I’m well aware of analogues, eg religious schools, on far R.)

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis @greenhousenyt you are confusing trolling with criticism.

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis @greenhousenyt the "far left" in US (democratic socialists) want increased funding in public services (including education), relief of crushing student debt and strengthening of unions (like teachers). That doesn't appear to undermine education

Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis

@scottapattison @greenhousenyt I agree with increased funding for education, student debt relief, child-centered public school policies, etc.. What do the Democratic Socialists think about using label of "hate speech" to prohibit speakers on campus?

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis @greenhousenyt DSA is against giving nazis and their genocide views a platform. They aren’t “prohibiting”, they are using their own free speech to discourage it

Nicholas A. Christakis @NAChristakis

@scottapattison @greenhousenyt Down with whatever DSA labels as wrongthink! Anyone not endorsing *all* DSA ideology must be a worm, or a Nazi! Even to listen to debate about immigration, etc., is doubleplusbad! Censoring others is speaking ourselves!

scott @scottapattison

@NAChristakis @greenhousenyt don't want to debate nazis. It's clear what they stand for and it has no place in our society. Remember how WW2 was won through constructive conversation?