Alan ShallowayとRon JeffriesのScrum/Kanban論議
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Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway i'm all for arming the people. you do that well. so do i. NOTHING is sufficient. including what we sell. get used to it.
2010-06-28 23:01:08
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries don't measur self against scrm. what's imp is that ppl understand alternatves up front- not come to me yrs after struggling
2010-06-29 01:26:14
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries nothing is sufficient by itself. but we are also insufficient by ourselves.
2010-06-29 01:26:52
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries this is the key diff between us. I _know_ i am key. I know ppl are key. but _I_ know that there is more that is key
2010-06-29 01:27:17
Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway you think i don't know that? didn't i just SAY that?
2010-06-29 01:51:42
Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway why do you think "scrum" vs whatever you stand for represent (exclusive it seems from what you say) alternatives? "Yes, and"?
2010-06-29 02:08:57
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries i don't think these are all there is. thre are other things (XP, hybrids).
2010-06-29 03:22:46
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries sorry ron, this is 1 of the things i am looking forward 2 talking 2 u in aug. i don't think you know this the way i mean it.
2010-06-29 04:12:34
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
simple reason I talk lean Vs scrum-Ucan't start w/ both-Gotta pick 1-Too many ppl think scrum-cuz it's popular-is best. it isn't most of tim
2010-06-29 05:45:57
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
can anyone tell me if the CSPO course includes concepts of MMF or MVP?
2010-06-29 08:51:45
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries good to know. is there a course description for it? couldn't find it at SA site. also - who taught yours?
2010-06-29 09:12:51
Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway jeff patton. i don't know how standardized they would be. certainly the CSMs are not particularly standardized ...
2010-06-29 09:14:13
Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway which could be seen as a problem i imagine
2010-06-29 09:14:27
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries different deliveries are fine as long as core concepts (MMF/MVP is one) are included. Jeff's great so no surprise.
2010-06-29 09:15:48