Alan ShallowayとRon JeffriesのScrum/Kanban論議
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Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway for most teams, Kanban vs Scrum is like aiming for right eye vs left eye while the org has the gun pointed the wrong direction
2010-06-28 04:40:25
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries true. & kanban helps the org aim better than scrum. i don't care so much what a team uses. up to the team
2010-06-28 04:50:57
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries but when an org sends ppl to a csm class to figure out agile they are usually committing the org to the wrong approach
2010-06-28 04:51:41
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries my complaint is not with scrum as much as with a team approach being hawked to the enterprise.
2010-06-28 04:52:13
Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway i prefer a forward-going approach. the infighting may help one agile company vs another. does not help the world IMO.
2010-06-28 04:55:47
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries I consider helping ppl avoid mistakes to be forward going. :)
2010-06-28 05:08:56
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries at least 5 things that'll have to happen for me to stop talking about kanabn as a better alternative to scrum:
2010-06-28 07:52:48
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
1 When scrum thought leaders, such as Tom Mellor & Ken Schwaber stop saying scrum fails cuz ppl aren’t disciplined or motivated enuf
2010-06-28 07:52:58
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
2 When the software industry realizes that scrum is only one of several team processes to try (popularity != best)
2010-06-28 07:53:27
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
3 When the scrum community acknowledges that a team method is not necessarily the best enterprise method
2010-06-28 07:53:40
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
4 When the scrum alliance makes it clear to people that the CSM means you attended a course & nothing more
2010-06-28 07:53:51
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
5 when the scrum community recognizes there are principles you _must_ be aware of or pay the consequence
2010-06-28 07:54:27
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
i'm sure there are more, but i'm trying to take it easy today!
2010-06-28 07:54:39
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
if a mgr tellin his team that they R failing due 2lack of discipline & motivation is not respectful, why is it diff to tell an org that?
2010-06-28 08:00:16
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries absolutely. what else would it be? why don't we discuss those reasons instead of inferring others.
2010-06-28 10:29:17
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries the best way to not engage with ppl's ideas is to infer motivations for them that are not said & therefore not spoken to
2010-06-28 10:30:12
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries ok, here are some others. many ors are being hurt because they play follow the leader & the leader is stickin to old thoughts
2010-06-28 10:32:13
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries innovation is being hurt because some ppl control who can teach certain things & they don't want new ideas to spread
2010-06-28 10:32:43
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries that when myself & others speak about ideas our ideas are not addressed as often as we are personally attacked
2010-06-28 10:33:07
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries oh, and btw - which of those reasons do you think aren't good ones? or aren't true? (meaning they don't happen)
2010-06-28 10:50:06
Ron Jeffries
@RonJeffries
@alshalloway i think those things happen. i don't think blaming "scrum" computes. + i don't see the need for you to tear down to offer value
2010-06-28 11:59:28
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries again, this doesn't answer the question. it's just sarcasm.
2010-06-28 12:01:15
Al Shalloway. Biz Agility &Value Stream Management
@alshalloway
@RonJeffries i am not blaming scrum. i have made several points. but instead of responding to them you acuse me of tearing down.
2010-06-28 12:01:40