アメリカ人トランスジェンダー研究者と「未手術のトランス女性が女湯に入ることを拒否する人はTERFか？」について議論した結果

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams So in your opinion, denying unoperated trans women access to women's baths is TERF, similar to the misogynists who opposed the ERA and the KKK who incited discrimination against blacks.

Cristan Williams @cristanwilliams

@KatzePotatoes No; I think using TERF dialectics makes one a TERF. Regarding this issue, I think you may want to talk to the trans and intersex communities of Japan.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams So in what cases would an unoperated trans woman's refusal to enter a women's bath not be considered a TERF?

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams Is it when the majority of unoperated trans women respond that they do not want to enter women's baths? Or must all unoperated trans women agree not to enter the women's bath? If just one of them wants to enter a women's bathroom, does that have to supersede everything else?

Cristan Williams @cristanwilliams

@KatzePotatoes If they are making use of the dialectic Janice Raymond constructed, that would make them a TERF. Otherwise, they’re not TERFs. It’s the dialectic that makes one a TERF.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams A Japanese trans woman claimed on her blog that 'Don't go to hot springs or public baths unless your appearance matches your officially documented gender. And don't undress in any other watering hole.' Do you think she is a TERF? aquabeauty.co.jp/trancegender-m…

Cristan Williams @cristanwilliams

@KatzePotatoes Again, promoting Janice Raymond’s dialectics makes one a TERF. If an opinion about cis supremacy is couched in TERF dialectics, that person is a TERF.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams I am not familiar with Janice Raymond's dialectics, so I cannot determine if this article promotes Janice Raymond's dialectics. The following is an English translation of the article. Let me know if you thought the author of this article was a TERF. pic.twitter.com/tYE1tIbTXT

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams pic.twitter.com/XDRERonlhX

Cristan Williams @cristanwilliams

@KatzePotatoes As far as I can tell, this person is not using Janice Raymond’s dialectic, so I would not refer to their position as being rooted in TERFism.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams This author's argument is that unoperated trans women should not enter women's baths because it would startle those around them.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams So, if we Japanese cis women also claim that we are against unoperated trans women entering women's baths because it makes us uncomfortable, are we considered not TERF?

Cristan Williams @cristanwilliams

@KatzePotatoes Again, what makes one a TERF is that they couch their opinions in the dialectics Janice Raymond pioneered. A lot of America’s alt-right uses Raymond’s dialectic even as they may not understand from whence their dialectic came.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams So you are saying that cis women who claim the following are not TERFs? "I don't hate trans women, but I am against unoperated trans women going into women's baths, because I feel uncomfortable going into the same bath with a woman who has a penis."

Cristan Williams @cristanwilliams

@KatzePotatoes Simply stating that one feels uncomfortable is not TERFism. Saying trans women are inherently problematic possible rapists due to some essential body attribute and therefore trans people should be legislated out of existence is TERFism.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams I don't say that trans women are inherently problematic possible rapists due to some essential body attribute. I say that cis men who come into women's baths dressed as women are a threat. Is this a TERF?

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams In fact, there was a recent incident in Japan where a cis man dressed as a woman was arrested for entering a women's bathhouse under the guise of being a trans woman. This upset Japanese women. asahi.co.jp/webnews/pages/… (Image: English translation of article) pic.twitter.com/sjzBUqcZon

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams If it were legalized for unoperated trans women to enter women's bathrooms, I believe there would be a potential increase in the number of transvestite cis men entering, but they would be less likely to be arrested.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams I believe this would infringe on the right of women not to be seen naked by strange men.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams How can we distinguish between an unoperated trans woman and a cross-dressing cis man? Or do you think that a woman's right not to be seen naked by a strange man is not as important as the right of an unoperated trans woman to enter a women's bath?

Cristan Williams @cristanwilliams

@KatzePotatoes How can we distinguish between cis women accessing women’s spaces for criminal activities, & cis women who are there to just do whatever it is they are lawfully entitled to do? Should we ban cis women since some cis women abuse their access to women’s spaces to sexually assault?

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams I don't think there is any way to distinguish between sex offender cis women. However, I do think that the intrusion of a sex offender cis woman is acceptable compared to a sex offender cis man who fakes being an unoperated trans woman and invades a women's bathroom.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams There are 3 reasons. (1) cis women generally have weaker arm strength than cis men, so their victims are more likely to resist when they are attacked. (2) There is no possibility of rape involving genital penetration. (3) There is no possibility of pregnancy after being raped.

エスケー @KatzePotatoes

@cristanwilliams By analogy, a female sex offender entering a women's bath is like a wild monkey entering. A male sex offender entering a women's bath is like a wild bear entering. Both may attack humans, but the damage is greater when a bear attacks.

Cristan Williams @cristanwilliams

@KatzePotatoes Should these trans men hang out in the women’s bathroom or bathhouse if they’ve not had bottom surgery? pic.twitter.com/MSI4rYaIck