やはりフェミニストの言うとこを信じる男はカルトでバカだったし、フェミニスト自体がバカになっていた #私たちはフェミニストにもっと怒っていい

岡田育🍥『我は、おばさん』 @okadaic

本スレもいくつかRTしたけど日本語対訳スレッドもあったので貼っておきます。性差別の「証拠」を出せという連中に対して「ググレカス」の一語で片付けがちなところを丁寧に解説してくれているので、以後はこれを拡散することで省力化をはかるというのでどうだろうか。 twitter.com/Summer500la/st…

Summer @Summer500la

やあみんな！ 女性に「女性差別があるっていうデータは？」とか「根拠は？」と聞くのをやめようじゃないか。丁寧に聞いたら問題ないと思ってるだろ？ 僕も前はそう思っていた！ 「ただ聞いてるだけ」でも、実はそんな簡単な話じゃないんだよ。 説明しよう。 twitter.com/kenwongart/sta…

2018-08-10 01:32:13

ken wong @kenwongart

Hey my dudes! Please stop asking women for statistics and proof that gender bias exists. It sounds reasonable to politely ask for evidence... I used to think the same! Let me explain why it's a little more complicated than 'just asking questions'. pic.twitter.com/Bde7ihUcct

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ken wong @kenwongart

Us guys often have problems hearing that gender bias exists if we haven't experienced or observed it ourselves. This is in large part because so much of the world around us was designed to keep men like us in power.

ken wong @kenwongart

I know that sounds like a huge conspiracy theory! But ask yourself, how many studies, reports and articles would it take to convince you? Here's a good starter, on how both men and women scientists are biased against female-sounding names on resumes: blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-pro…

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Here's an indication that women need to work at least twice as hard to receive the same recognition as men: economist.com/science-and-te…

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Women are interrupted more in professional environments nextions.com/wp-content/upl…

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Tokyo Medical University has been rigging applicants scores because it assumed women would drop out of work when they got pregnant qz.com/1346588/tokyo-…

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Students in computer science were approaching 50% women until the mid-80s, when computers became advertised as a male hobby/interest. npr.org/sections/money…

ken wong @kenwongart

All of the above studies (which took about 30 minutes of googling to find) support the idea that there's a lot of bias in the world that is hidden from us, that might take a bit of extra reading and researching and listening to uncover.

ken wong @kenwongart

It's especially hidden from us if we're in a position of privilege (including being cis, straight, white and/or male). Here's Harvard Business Review on 'advantage blindness' also known as privilege blindness: hbr.org/2018/04/do-you…

ken wong @kenwongart

A few years ago, I was not so different from the original enquirer. Feminism sounded like a hot mess of angry complaining women! If they could actually sit down and agree with each other, and show me some evidence and some straight answers, maybe I'd give them my time?

ken wong @kenwongart

Then, *that* incident in the games industry in 2014. If you paid any attention (and if you need a recap, here's the book affirmpress.com.au/publishing/gam…) it was made clear that games in subtle and unsubtle, intentional and unintentional ways, treats women poorly.

ken wong @kenwongart

So in the years since then I've followed a lot more women and other marginalised folks on Twitter. I read the articles they recommend. I go to their talks. I play the games they make.

ken wong @kenwongart

And I can tell you... they're tired of answering our questions. They've been doing that for decades.

ken wong @kenwongart

When you ask a woman for proof/statistics, you're asking her to repeat herself, to do research for you, to explain things she maybe lives through every day. And because of how Twitter works, there are probably a bunch of other dudes asking her the same.

ken wong @kenwongart

Trying to learn things from Twitter discussion (or debate) is usually a very inefficient process, and is often one party demanding escalating amounts of 'proof' and/or emotional labour of another.

ken wong @kenwongart

Here's what you can do instead: 1) Do your own research. Some terms: "gender wage gap" "women in games" "women in STEM" 2) Follow women and other people different from you on Twitter. Read/watch what's important to them. 3) Believe in the experiences of others

ken wong @kenwongart

Of course, this doesn't mean you *can't ever* ask questions of women on Twitter. If you do have unanswered questions after research, ask in your own thread, or be sure that discourse is welcome in others' threads.

ken wong @kenwongart

If you're looking for a starting point (as I once did), try @femfreq. I don't want to tag individuals here because that sometimes leads to bad things, but follow women CEOs, women in STEM, women in games. One of my favourite sources of perspective is @TeenVogue.

ken wong @kenwongart

Since the original was about e-sports: here's an article answering the exact question: pcgamesn.com/counter-strike…

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And here's some insight into how Korean gamers are bullying the game development community into rejecting feminism kotaku.com.au/2018/04/in-sou…

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And here's how some players believe sexual harassment of women is part of e-sports venturebeat.com/community/2012…

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And the various excuses men make about not hiring great female players in Overwatch League kotaku.com.au/2018/01/no-ove…

ken wong @kenwongart

This thread has just been about women in games, but there are other axes of discrimination in games, including race, sexuality and ablism.